Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? BloodAngelBrotherEdward.
       Sorry but Andamadus (2/19/2002 22:20). 
           RE: Sorry but visigoth (2/20/2002 11:32). 
               RE: RE: Sorry but aradiel69 (2/20/2002 16:35). 
       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? captdaveman (2/19/2002
 22:23). 
       Dont let his looks foool you! BloodAngelChaplainDarmus (2/19/2002 22:31). 
           RE: Dont let his looks foool you! captdaveman (2/19/2002 22:42). 
               RE: RE: Dont let his looks foool you! BloodAngelChaplainDarmus (2/20/2002 10:15). 
       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? BerserkSeraph
 (2/19/2002 22:36). 
           RE: RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? captdaveman
 (2/19/2002 22:53). 
       depends! Ashura (2/19/2002 22:37). 
       Great Unclean One aradiel69 (2/19/2002 22:57). 
       My final rant on The Great Unclean One captdaveman (2/19/2002 23:35). 
           RE: My final rant on The Great Unclean One aradiel69 (2/20/2002 1:08). 
               RE: RE: My final rant on The Great Unclean One captdaveman (2/20/2002 2:48). 
       Its Good!! jpjupiter (2/19/2002 23:41). 
       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? Stannley (2/19/2002
 23:55). 
           RE: RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? captdaveman
 (2/20/2002 0:27). 
       Depends against what Lordof (2/20/2002 1:11). 
       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One?
 BloodAngelsBrotherKalibroxin (2/20/2002 1:23). 
       I think.. WarpExarch (2/20/2002 2:04). 
       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? helligan (2/20/2002
 2:48). 
       Not that many STR 10 Weapons! jpjupiter (2/20/2002 11:15). 
 
 

  Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (22 Replies).
 BloodAngelBrotherEdward[]. 2/19/2002 22:02 (2/20/2002 16:35) 
 Humble greetings Chaos Lords,

 A question tonight about Great Unclean Ones - exactly how effective/dangerous is a Great
 Unclean One? How can one be used most effectively? 

 We're cooking up a really fun Nurgle army over here, and I'd like to know how to make the
 most of our only available Greater Daemon :-)

 many thanks to all! ~ Brother Edward (who's starting to think he may need another title while
 serving Chaos :-) 
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       Sorry but . (2 Replies). Andamadus[]. 2/19/2002 22:20 (2/20/2002 16:35) 
 First off a lil change of subject but, Ed you seem to be having a lot of fun with chaos! It seems
 temptation is drawing you closer to the dark gods every second you hold a brush. 

 Anyways I have not played or seen a great unclean one in action but I did nickname my lil
 brother that. But I hear their stats might get fixed and powerfists are good against them, that is
 all I know. 
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           RE: Sorry but . (1 Replies). visigoth[]. 2/20/2002 11:32 (2/20/2002 16:35) 
 >> First off a lil change of subject but, Ed you seem to be having a lot of fun with chaos! It
 seems temptation is drawing you closer to the dark gods every second you hold a brush. 
 >> 
 >> Anyways I have not played or seen a great unclean one in action but I did nickname my lil
 brother that. But I hear their stats might get fixed and powerfists are good against them, that is
 all I know.

 ++ theres a guy in one of the local gameshops that resembles a GUO! 
 seriously, they are the most screwed over of the greater demons,
 in a army known for their toughness, he's only T4, sure he has lots of wounds, but a powerfist
 can instant kill him, unless he makes his crappy save
 the best you can do is hope that he appears when you are close enough to assault, have him
 puke on the enemy and then watch him die...at least he only cost 80 points ++ 
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               RE: RE: Sorry but . (0 Replies). aradiel69[]. 2/20/2002 16:35 (2/20/2002 16:35) 
 >> seriously, they are the most screwed over of the greater demons,
 >> in a army known for their toughness, he's only T4, sure he has lots of wounds, but a
 powerfist can instant kill him, unless he makes his crappy save
 >> the best you can do is hope that he appears when you are close enough to assault, have
 him puke on the enemy and then watch him die...at least he only cost 80 points ++

 he is T5 so a powerfist will not insta-kill him. 
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       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (0 Replies).
 captdaveman[]. 2/19/2002 22:23 (2/19/2002 22:23) 
 Great unclean ones have several uses. 1st tank buster even though it has a lower strength then
 the other GD's it still rolls 2D 6 for penetration. It also works well for desroying large CC
 units like banshies or scorps. If possible keep some nurglings around it to soak up the enemy
 firing, it is still an independant character, so you can avoid splat weapons this way. Mainly just
 decamate things in assault while avoiding power fists and you can not go far wrong. 
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       Dont let his looks foool you! . (2 Replies). BloodAngelChaplainDarmus[]. 2/19/2002 22:31 (2/20/2002
 10:15) 
 he is more effective than people think. plauge bearers are what u need, there plauge sword
 just cant be stopped. Dont use him like you would a blood thirster. BUT! he does get 6
 wounds, so thats really good. 
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           RE: Dont let his looks foool you! . (1 Replies). captdaveman[]. 2/19/2002 22:42 (2/20/2002 10:15) 
 >> he is more effective than people think. plauge bearers are what u need, there plauge sword
 just cant be stopped. Dont use him like you would a blood thirster. BUT! he does get 6
 wounds, so thats really good.

 Plague bearers no longer have a plague sword, a great unclean one is a beast in CC trust me. 
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               RE: RE: Dont let his looks foool you! . (0 Replies). BloodAngelChaplainDarmus[]. 2/20/2002
 10:15 (2/20/2002 10:15) 
 >> >> he is more effective than people think. plauge bearers are what u need, there plauge
 sword just cant be stopped. Dont use him like you would a blood thirster. BUT! he does get
 6 wounds, so thats really good.
 >> 
 >> Plague bearers no longer have a plague sword, a great unclean one is a beast in CC trust
 me. 

 oops, ya well tyhis is coming from a worldeaters player, so oops again. I swore they still had
 the sword. BloodThirster is way =better in cc 
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       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (1 Replies).
 BerserkSeraph[gospel_studios@hotmail.com]. 2/19/2002 22:36 (2/19/2002 22:53) 
 Let's see...well, I've never seen one in -combat-..x.x because my only Chaos foes play
 Khorne.

 Stat point of view- cheapest Greater Daemon
 Same WS as a SM Commander/Force Commander
 Less BS than a tactical marine
 Strength- just high enough(7) to not be all that useful against the most common army, marines.
 A Powerfist makes a marine stronger
 Toughness- higher than a marines! Yes! But by only one point. Boo.
 Wounds: 6..Hmm
 I: Way, way, waaaay low.
 Attacks: Same as a Force Commander
 LD: 10
 Demonic aura save and a psychic power..
 all for 80 points..well, here's how I read this-

 PROS:
 AMMO ABSOROPTION- he's got just enough T that almost no weapon will IK him, and
 with a ward save and a massive 6 wounds, he's going to take a while...

 ATTENTION-DRAWING: Just like a Land Raider, this thing -will- draw fire

 FEARLESS/SOME: Assuming he gets past his (pathetic) WS,A, and I..

 STREAM OF CORRUPTION: There's got to be -some- use for it.

 CONS:
 PATHETIC CC SKILLS: A Marine Commander with a powerfist and CCW costs 71
 points. He has the same WS, higher I (doesn't matter, of course), Same attacks, and a higher
 Strength.

 AMMO ABSOROPTION- Why do you -want- your general to be shot? And that
 Toughness/Wound/Save combo will only stop so much. 

 ATTENTION-DRAWING: Experienced players will avoid shooting at him as much as
 possible- he's not exactly a 'long range' threat, save his stench.

 MUST POSSESS: Why bother? That aspiring champion may well accomplish more if arms
 properly.
 ---------
 All in all, I suggest either a properly-armed Daemon Prince or a Lord/Champion/Whatever.
 More flexible, and they don't have to turn someone into a pile of slush to enter this reality. 
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           RE: RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (0 Replies).
 captdaveman[]. 2/19/2002 22:53 (2/19/2002 22:53) 
 Well thought out and some good points as an experiences nurgloid I would like to offer some
 counter points though.
 >> AMMO ABSOROPTION- he's got just enough T that almost no weapon will IK him,
 and with a ward save and a massive 6 wounds, he's going to take a while...
 

 It costs way to many point for this Nurgle armies are expencive and do not have the point for
 fodder units.
 >> ATTENTION-DRAWING: Just like a Land Raider, this thing -will- draw fire
 Yes it does and one should do what one can to not allow that to happen.
 >> FEARLESS/SOME: Assuming he gets past his (pathetic) WS,A, and I..

 >> STREAM OF CORRUPTION: There's got to be -some- use for it.
 This is its true strength in CC stream of corruption power is used during the CC phase while
 the Great unclean one is in assault. It is devastating no matter what army your opponent uses.
 >> CONS:
 >> PATHETIC CC SKILLS: A Marine Commander with a powerfist and CCW costs 71
 points. He has the same WS, higher I (doesn't matter, of course), Same attacks, and a higher
 Strength.
 See above statment.
 >> AMMO ABSOROPTION- Why do you -want- your general to be shot? And that
 Toughness/Wound/Save combo will only stop so much. 
 This beast needs to be in CC as much as possible which means it isnt being shot at if used
 well.
 >> ATTENTION-DRAWING: Experienced players will avoid shooting at him as much as
 possible- he's not exactly a 'long range' threat, save his stench.
 This is where luck comes in, if the possesed model is in charge range you are golden.
 >> MUST POSSESS: Why bother? That aspiring champion may well accomplish more if
 arms properly.
 See above
 >> All in all, I suggest either a properly-armed Daemon Prince or a
 Lord/Champion/Whatever. More flexible, and they don't have to turn someone into a pile of
 slush to enter this reality.

 Also good choices for HQ most greater demons are used as a nasty surprise not a constant
 general for an army. 
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       depends! . (0 Replies). Ashura[]. 2/19/2002 22:37 (2/19/2002 22:37) 
 you see the thing about the great unclean one is that he has very low intiative and the lowest
 toughness of all the greater demons , he's just not as good as the others he can do a lot of
 damage but is (which makes no sense) the easiest greater demon to kill only a demon prince is
 weaker and thats pretty sad. he has many wounds but it doesn't matter cuz strength 10
 weapons will wipe him out. good luck use him very carefuly,

 ps nurgle champions and lords with beasts of nurgle and blight grenades are very very hard to
 kill and don't forget chaos armor and toughness five from the mark. a good way to use your
 points and plague swords rock 
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       Great Unclean One . (0 Replies). aradiel69[]. 2/19/2002 22:57 (2/19/2002 22:57) 
 Ok, as you probably know I am a Nurgle player, I use my great unclean one in all my 1500+
 point games. he is really good if he is well supported, usually what I do is just leave him with
 the squad his possessed out of (usually my lords retinue), he is an independent character so he
 cant be targeted if he is with a squad and get him into assault where he is a great support
 character. he usually wont do much in combat by him self but if he is supported by another
 squad they will usually win combat so he can use his fearsome rule, which is the most handy
 thing to have, nothing like the enemy automatically running for their lives away from you. 

 unlike some of the others said I do not think he is good at tank busting, he is too slow and
 most people will move their tanks away from him, and usually when he does charge a tank the
 tank has moved 12" so he needs 6+ to hit, and with only 4 attacks on the charge that isn't
 good odds, I would much rather use a meltagun equipped plague marine in a rhino for tank
 busting.

 The only think you have to keep an eye out for is S10 weapons, but there isn't a lot of them in
 40K and most wont be able to target him if he is near a squad, the only thing you really need
 to worry about is dreadnought class units (dreadnought, wraithlord and carnifex) who have
 S10 in close combat and all but the carnifex are faster than your I2, and even the carnifex can
 have bio-plasma which is S10 and strikes before you so keep it out of assault with
 dreadnought class units, other than that he is fine against most other units.

 So in the end, he is a great model, you just have to keep him well looked after, also if you are
 going for an objective and the great unclean one is too far away to help for the rest of the
 game just leave him out in the open as a diversion, I have had eldar and tau armies waste a
 whole turn of shooting just to take down my great unclean one, leaving my other troops unhurt
 to advance onwards.

 check out my Great Unclean One on my website at:

 http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~rich-mac/40k/ 
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       My final rant on The Great Unclean One . (2 Replies). captdaveman[]. 2/19/2002 23:35 (2/20/2002 2:48) 
 The Great Unclean One is considered the weakest of the GD's, because of inferior stats.
 However the great Unclean one is still a power house, its strength do not hit you in the face
 the way a blood thirsters do. The Great Unclean One will not win a game with its WS of 5, 5
 is respectable but not the reason this demon rock in CC. Stream of corruption is why this
 demon rocks in CC, this power will put the fear of god in your opponant, and if that opponant
 has never seen what this power is capable he will not know what hit him until it is too late. I
 am sure there are uses for this monstrosity have never even thought of and other strengths as
 well. On the flip side of this is its weakness's. Again I will compare the blood thirster to make
 my point, The Great Unclean Ones' weakness sticks out like a sore thumb the very same way
 a blood thirsters strengths do, both slap you in the face and make you take notice. The splat
 weapon will end your great green blobs day and fast, so lets discuss the sublties of this issue
 as well. Khorne send his demon out like a freight train secure in the knowledge that no
 weapon can kill it in one shot and that all weapons can be saved against. This means it often is
 not in 6 inches of another unit, and given the choice what will you shoot your lascannon at.
 This is the reason the Blood thirster will die faster to shooting than a Great Unclean One, bad
 math I hear you laugh in my general direction, no not really. The Nurgle general know that 1
 stray las cannon will send green grossness flinging across the game table. This is why his
 Greater Demon is always with in 6 inches of 1 or more units, all greater demons count as IC's
 and are subject to the same targeting rules as all other IC's. Thats right my Great Unclean One
 will stand up to more shooting rounds than your Blood thirster will. Our next glareing
 weakness is power fists, this is also simple to fix avoid charging units with lots of them. If you
 must charge, or are charged by unit with themwell your an IC who will always strike before
 they do pick the power fists out and make sure they do not ever have the chance to hit you.
 Failing that it isn't hard to make sure those power fists are under the stream of corruption
 template. I really tend not to worry about power fists for these very reasons, unless of course
 you're talking terminator all armed with power fists avoid this unit. In closing The Great
 Unclean One is a beast in CC and far more usefull then most realise, when used properly it
 has the staying power, and CC ability of a god. Trust Edward you will like this unit. 
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           RE: My final rant on The Great Unclean One . (1 Replies). aradiel69[]. 2/20/2002 1:08 (2/20/2002 2:48) 
 >>Stream of corruption is why this demon rocks in CC, 

 Remember Streams is bloody hard to use, you can only use it in YOUR turn and only if you
 dont move in the assault phase, so the only way you can use it is if the combat had draged on
 for at least 2 assault phases or you dont charge, which is a waste of his fearsome rule (if the
 enemy charges, you cant use it becuase it's not your turn so you need to wait till next assault
 phase, and if you charge you cant use it because you moved in assault so you need to wait 2
 more assault phases till it is your assault phase again), and with the great unclean ones
 fearsome ability assaults dont usually last long enough to use it.

 >>The Nurgle general know that 1 stray las cannon will send green grossness flinging across
 the game table. 

 A lascannon is only S9, you need S10 to insta-kill him so it is not strong enough to kill the
 great unclean one in one shoot.

 >>Our next glareing weakness is power fists, 

 The great unclean one is actually the best for taking powerfist hits, powerfists wound all the
 greater daemons on 2+ and the great unclean one has the more wounds so he will out last the
 other GD's against powerfists. the only things with a powerfist that can insta-kill the great
 unclean one is a ork warlord, dread or wraithlord. and if you charge the great unclean one
 with backup from a squad with blight grenades then the enemy needs 5+ to hit (just like trying
 to hit a bloodthirster). I charge mine into terminator squads all the time and he does fine versus
 powerfists. 
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               RE: RE: My final rant on The Great Unclean One . (0 Replies). captdaveman[]. 2/20/2002 2:48
 (2/20/2002 2:48) 

 >> 
 >> A lascannon is only S9, you need S10 to insta-kill him so it is not strong enough to kill the
 great unclean one in one shoot.

 Yes I know this, I was useing las cannon as a generic term for splat weapons. There are a lot
 of new splat weopons out I have not faced yet, like rail guns and such.
 >> 

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       Its Good!! . (0 Replies). jpjupiter[]. 2/19/2002 23:41 (2/19/2002 23:41) 
 The great unclean one may not be the best GD, but the fact is that it is the cheapest. at 80 pts
 that is a steal. for christ sake it has 6 wounds!! even if it can be auto killed, so can most HQ
 choices. for sure it will draw alot of enemy fire when it comes in, but even if it dies a butt load
 of your force will still be alive, and there is nothing scarier than nurgles chosen in an assault. i
 use my GUO just to draw enemy fire and to kill vehicles. its definitely a taker!!! 
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       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (1 Replies). Stannley[].
 2/19/2002 23:55 (2/20/2002 0:27) 
 I have had good games and bad games with the Great Unclean One. The best was when he
 possessed my Terminator Aspiring Champion who was right behind a Baneblade at the time.
 The Great Unclean One tore into the back of the Baneblade and took it down its two
 remaining construction points! Unfortunately in the next turn he was shot to pieces, along with
 the terminator squad, but hey, they did their job!

 This is actually where I think a lot of people underestimate the GD's. They get shot at, and I
 mean a lot! Now in most cases this usually means they die quickly (a 5+ invunerable kinda
 sucks), but the thing to remember is that while they are being shot at, the rest of your army
 isn't! Its called psychological warfare and it works every time! :o)

 Incidentally... I keep seeing everyone say that they are Independant Characters, which they
 are, so they can't be shot at if they are within 6" of a friendly unit. Are you sure of that? Don't
 forget that they are also Monstrous Creatures which can be shot at at any time! So... which
 rule overides the other? If you are right and they can't be shot at... ooooh baby! :o) 
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           RE: RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (0 Replies).
 captdaveman[]. 2/20/2002 0:27 (2/20/2002 0:27) 
 Don't forget that they are also Monstrous Creatures which can be shot at at any time! So...
 which rule overides the other? If you are right and they can't be shot at... ooooh baby! :o)

 This is a tyranid rule for synapse creatures not all monstrous creatures, So thats right ooooh
 baby. 
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       Depends against what . (0 Replies). Lordof[]. 2/20/2002 1:11 (2/20/2002 1:11) 
 Against low str victims it is great against anyone with an str of 4 or higher it really starts to
 suck 
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       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (0 Replies).
 BloodAngelsBrotherKalibroxin[]. 2/20/2002 1:23 (2/20/2002 1:23) 
 I don't like the toughness 5. He can be instant killed, which should not happen against
 demons, especially the greater demon of what is supposed to be the "toughest" chaos army. 
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       I think.. . (0 Replies). WarpExarch[]. 2/20/2002 2:04 (2/20/2002 2:04) 
 >> Humble greetings Chaos Lords,
 >> 
 >> A question tonight about Great Unclean Ones - exactly how effective/dangerous is a Great
 Unclean One? How can one be used most effectively? 
 >> 
 >> We're cooking up a really fun Nurgle army over here, and I'd like to know how to make
 the most of our only available Greater Daemon :-)
 >> 
 >> many thanks to all! ~ Brother Edward (who's starting to think he may need another title
 while serving Chaos :-)

 It's not strong, just hard to blippin kill! 6 blippin wounds! (for sms thats no prob but for us
 Eldar (and my poor obliterators) it's terror and other pointy implements) I think it'd be the only
 choice for a nurgle only army but if you can, get the LoC or 'thirster. 
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       RE: Chaos veterans - how effective/dangerous is a Great Unclean One? . (0 Replies). helligan[].
 2/20/2002 2:48 (2/20/2002 2:48) 
 Against anything that is strength 10 not very
 Against auto-killers (e.g force weapons)
 Anything else it is deadly 
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       Not that many STR 10 Weapons! . (0 Replies). jpjupiter[]. 2/20/2002 11:15 (2/20/2002 11:15) 
 Hey guys,
 don't forget that there aren't that many strength 10 weapons! so usually even most heavy
 weapons will still only take one wound. and toughness 5 is still pretty tough. it may be slow(I
 2) but still it is a deadly monster. I usually use the magic power Stream of C. when fighting
 space marines, when you do this you can potentially kill more marines than if yyou charged. 
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