BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD sawblade.
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD templarchampion (12/10/2001 18:35). 
           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD sawblade (12/10/2001 20:52). 
           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD HadrianFH (12/11/2001 20:41). 
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD HighMarshal (12/10/2001 21:13). 
       Yay! FragBait (12/10/2001 22:18). 
           Yes I do live in the Seattle area... sawblade (12/10/2001 23:46). 
               Just had a hunch... FragBait (12/11/2001 18:28). 
       Review my army plz Drazen (12/11/2001 0:02). 
           RE: Review my army plz sawblade (12/11/2001 0:10). 
           RE: Review my army plz HighMarshal (12/11/2001 20:46). 
       what more should i get to make my army 2500 pts gibbon (12/11/2001 2:17). 
           RE: what more should i get to make my army 2500 pts HighMarshal (12/11/2001 21:17). 
       Review My BT Army BAApocolypse (12/11/2001 11:30). 
           RE: Review My BT Army FragBait (12/11/2001 18:35). 
               RE: RE: Review My BT Army BAApocolypse (12/11/2001 20:46). 
                   RE: RE: RE: Review My BT Army FragBait (12/11/2001 22:27). 
                       RE: RE: RE: RE: Review My BT Army SolarWind (12/14/2001 1:36). 
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD templarchampion (12/11/2001 19:08). 
           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD HighMarshal (12/11/2001 20:16). 
               RE: RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD HighMarshal (12/11/2001 20:28). 
           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD FragBait (12/11/2001 22:37). 
       Question sawblade (12/11/2001 20:57). 
           RE: Question HadrianFH (12/11/2001 21:05). 
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD Doomhawk (12/11/2001 21:12). 
           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD humakt (12/12/2001 3:29). 
           Finally... Julgrodan (12/14/2001 16:10). 
       bump sawblade (12/12/2001 0:06). 
       shameless bump HighMarshal (12/12/2001 15:23). 
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD Tfarcraw (12/13/2001 0:56). 
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD Skimmer (12/13/2001 1:41). 
           How about a thunderhammer? humakt (12/13/2001 3:58). 
           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD HighMarshal (12/13/2001 20:37). 
       how many points is that? nidlord (12/13/2001 4:01). 
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD Angel Master (12/13/2001 21:53). 
       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD SolarWind (12/14/2001 1:55). 
           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD SolarWind (12/14/2001 2:04). 
           Loads and loads of men humakt (12/14/2001 4:34). 
       Tell me what you think. humakt (12/14/2001 4:28). 
 
 

  BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (38 Replies). sawblade[]. 12/10/2001 18:14 (12/14/2001 16:10) 
 I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help with
 my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for people
 to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of to say
 you are better than us.

 HQ 
 Marshall
 Emperor's Champion

 ELITES
 1 5 man Terminator Squad

 TROOPS
 3 10 man Tactical Squads

 FAST ATTACK
 1 6 man Assault Squad led by Chaplain

 HEAVY SUPPORT
 2 Land Raider Crusaders

 Thanks for the help. 

 -sawblade 
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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (2 Replies). templarchampion[]. 12/10/2001 18:35 (12/11/2001 20:41) 
 >> I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help
 with my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for
 people to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of
 to say you are better than us.
 >> 
 >> HQ 
 >> Marshall
 >> Emperor's Champion

 bad : ( a regular marshall is not good enough to be alone, he will die. make him a high
 marshall, load him up with gear. have him fight with another squad or give him his own
 command squad!

 >> ELITES
 >> 1 5 man Terminator Squad

 good, but give them an assult cannon at least!

 >> TROOPS
 >> 3 10 man Tactical Squads

 not good! make them 15 man and give them both CCW and pistols ;)
 use up all 15 slots in the crusader! Also, assault weapons are a good additon. And you should
 give them heavy weapons since you may have to defend sometime.

 >> FAST ATTACK
 >> 1 6 man Assault Squad led by Chaplain

 good, but the marshall is better in CC

 >> HEAVY SUPPORT
 >> 2 Land Raider Crusaders
 >> Thanks for the help. 
 >>
 >> -sawblade

 Nice army overall, but if you havent noticed, your longest range weapon is 24'!!! thats WAY
 too short, even for CC specialists like black templars. you should give your army a dread with
 lascannons, or even better, a regular old mk3 land raider! 
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           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). sawblade[]. 12/10/2001 20:52 (12/10/2001 20:52) 
 Yes I realize these things, but funds are short. and for your information, 2 of the three Tac
 squads will be armed with CCW's (Blood Claws box). Also these are just the mdels, I have
 not painted or assembled them yet. So any changes are still welcome. And I forgot to add
 this, I also have 1 Attack Bike. Thanks for your help!

 -sawblade 
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           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). HadrianFH[]. 12/11/2001 20:41 (12/11/2001 20:41) 
 >> >> I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help
 with my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for
 people to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of
 to say you are better than us.

 The Black Templars are not that cheesy. Cheesy has to have significantly more advantages
 than drawbacks... I would say a distinct lack of heavy support is a weakness. Most people
 just forget that Space Marines ALL had 2 CCWs in 2nd Edition (Bolt Pistol and Knife, which
 is why they got the pistol ganked in this edition most likely)

 >> >> 
 >> >> HQ 
 >> >> Marshall
 >> >> Emperor's Champion
 >> 
 Chaplain instead of Marshall. And either give him a small command squad or lump him in with
 one of the Templar Squads.

 >> 
 >> >> ELITES
 >> >> 1 5 man Terminator Squad
 > 
 >> good, but give them an assult cannon at least!

 Nah, waste of points. In most games these guys do little. GW screwed the Terminators, and
 even their 5+ Invulnerable does not make up for it. Better if you give them Lightning Claws or
 Thunder Hammers as they will then be able to take advantage of their A of 2.
 >> 
 >> >> TROOPS
 >> >> 3 10 man Tactical Squads
 >> 
 >> not good! make them 15 man and give them both CCW and pistols ;)
 >> use up all 15 slots in the crusader! Also, assault weapons are a good additon. And you
 should give them heavy weapons since you may have to defend sometime.

 No, make them 13 or 14 so a character can join them in the Land Raider... And heavy
 weapons are pointless in basic squads as it makes them immobile if they want to fire. This rule
 was one of the worst things of 3rd Edition. And as far as defense. There is no better defense
 than a good offense. With the Templars, you will often have to be proactive in your defense
 (ie counterattacking). This distinct disadvantage is why I believe that the Black templars are
 given far too many cheese points than they deserve. 

 >> 
 >> >> FAST ATTACK
 >> >> 1 6 man Assault Squad led by Chaplain

 I would say 8, and put the Chaplain in with the Templar Squads. Use your Jump Toops to hit
 side objectives. Since your basic squads can be "assault" squads, you can easily use them for
 typical assault duties. Your two Land Raiders will be excellent for deploying them. The swiftly
 moving Assault squads can either reinforce other units, or hid poorly defended heavies.

 >> good, but the marshall is better in CC

 Maybe, maybe not. The Chaplain has an invulnerable save, and a power weapon.
 >> 
 >> >> HEAVY SUPPORT
 >> >> 2 Land Raider Crusaders

 Seems kinda expensive. You could save some of those points for Whirlwinds. They provide
 excellent fire support. One Crusader can be used to hammer weak positions, or deliver some
 needed troops to the middle of combat.
 

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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). HighMarshal[]. 12/10/2001 21:13 (12/10/2001 21:13) 
 Well, I hate to say that I'm too tired tonight to commebt about your army list but I am very
 willing to help out anyone who needs it. Just ask and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Its
 sleepy sleep time now so I must go.... 
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       Yay! . (2 Replies). FragBait[]. 12/10/2001 22:18 (12/11/2001 18:28) 
 Great idea. I'd first like to start off with a plea to free the Emporers Champion. He's ours, give
 him back. Ok, now that the important things are done with, lets have a look at your army...
 

 >> Marshall

 I dont really like these guys. I'd say swap him with another Chaplin(remember, Chrismas is
 coming!),make him a High Marshal or at least give him a body guard.

 >> ELITES
 >> 1 5 man Terminator Squad

 Good choice.

 >> TROOPS
 >> 3 10 man Tactical Squads

 What weapons do they have? Make at least 20 of them with c/c weapons and the others as a
 covering squad. Give the covering squad a plasma cannon and a plasma rifle, because you
 cant go wrong with plasma :)

 >> FAST ATTACK
 >> 1 6 man Assault Squad led by Chaplain

 My favorite squad in the game! Whats the Chaplin have? 

 >> HEAVY SUPPORT
 >> 2 Land Raider Crusaders

 Wow, thats some heavy helpers.

 >> Thanks for the help. 
 No prob.
 

 Now, I might be wrong but, do you live in the Seattle area?
 

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           Yes I do live in the Seattle area... . (1 Replies). sawblade[]. 12/10/2001 23:46 (12/11/2001 18:28) 
 Snohomish, to be precise. How do you know so much about me? Are you with the CIA
 (Central Intelligence Agency)? NSA (National Securtity Agency)? FBI (Federal Beureau of
 Investigation)? Anyway where do you live?

 -sawblade 
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               Just had a hunch... . (0 Replies). FragBait[]. 12/11/2001 18:28 (12/11/2001 18:28) 
 >> Snohomish, to be precise. How do you know so much about me? Are you with the CIA
 (Central Intelligence Agency)? NSA (National Securtity Agency)? FBI (Federal Beureau of
 Investigation)? Anyway where do you live?
 >> 
 >> -sawblade
 

 I live in Woodinville, about 15 miles south from you. I have my conections, but Im not at
 liberty to give such information, because it might endanger our agents in the field.
 
 
 
 

 Got Fragged?
 Accualy I remembered the name from the Oppenent Finder :) 
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       Review my army plz . (2 Replies). Drazen[]. 12/11/2001 0:02 (12/11/2001 20:46) 
 -Chaplain, powerweapon, plasma pistol, terminator honours
 -Emperor's champion
 -8 CC marines, 1 powerfist
 -all 10 models in rhino

 -5 marnies, 1 lascannon
 -2 newphytes

 -5 marnies, 1 lascannon
 -2 newphytes

 -5 marnies, 1 plasma cannon
 -2 newphytes

 -5 marnies, 1 plasma cannon
 -2 newphytes

 -1 land speeder, multimelta
 -1 land speeder typhoon, multimelta

 1000 pts total

 thats in
 thx 
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           RE: Review my army plz . (0 Replies). sawblade[]. 12/11/2001 0:10 (12/11/2001 0:10) 
 Try consolidating your forces (ie fewr little squads)

 -sawblade 
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           RE: Review my army plz . (0 Replies). HighMarshal[]. 12/11/2001 20:46 (12/11/2001 20:46) 
 >> -Chaplain, powerweapon, plasma pistol, terminator honours
 >> -Emperor's champion
 >> -8 CC marines, 1 powerfist
 >> -all 10 models in rhino
 Might want to give another CC squad one of the charaters, that way its not one really good
 squad that will be shot to death.
 >> -5 marnies, 1 lascannon
 >> -2 newphytes
 drop neophyates, they are not helping you at all right now. Drop both and put in a single
 marine. Then mount in a razorback
 >> 
 >> -5 marnies, 1 lascannon
 >> -2 newphytes
 See above
 >> 
 >> -5 marnies, 1 plasma cannon
 >> -2 newphytes
 Take that squad away and put in a CC squad. Close Combat IS BTs biggest adventage
 remember...
 >> -5 marnies, 1 plasma cannon
 >> -2 newphytes
 Make it 6 marines, mount in razorback
 >> 
 >> -1 land speeder, multimelta
 >> -1 land speeder typhoon, multimelta
 make it a heavy bolter. That way it can rip through infantry like IG, Orks, Eldar, and possibly
 nids.
 >> 
 >> 1000 pts total
 >> 
 >> thats in
 >> thx 
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       what more should i get to make my army 2500 pts . (1 Replies). gibbon[]. 12/11/2001 2:17 (12/11/2001
 21:17) 
 Heres what i have so far its around 1900 points

 HQ
 Emps Champ

 Marshal with Pweap Plas Pistol termie honours and bionics

 Command squad
 standard bearer with power weapn
 apothecary nathecrium power weapn
 techmarine servo arm bolter/flamer combi
 1 marine with meltagun

 all in razorback with twin linked lascannon and smoke launchers

 Chaplain with terminator armour and storm bolter (joins termie squad

 Elites
 6 terminators 
 1 armed with power sword sarge (book says it has to have it but black templar codex says
 dont have sargents???)
 5 with power fists
 1 heavy flamer
 1 assault cannon

 Troops
 7 marines with cc weap 
 3 newbies
 1 power weapon
 1 flamer
 ride in rhino with smok launchers

 6 marines with cc weap
 4 newvies 
 1 power fist
 1 meltagun
 ride in rhino with smoke launchers

 5 marines with bolters
 1 meltagun
 1 multimelta

 5 marines with bolters
 1 plasma gun
 1 lascannon

 fast attack

 2 land speeder tornadoes with multi melta and assault cannon

 3 marines on bikes 
 1 flamer 
 1 plama gun

 well thats what i have soo far

 i was thinking of getting a dreadnought with twin linked las cannon a landreaider4 crusader for
 the termies 2 razorbacks and 2 shotty neophites for the 5 man marine squads? 
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           RE: what more should i get to make my army 2500 pts . (0 Replies). HighMarshal[]. 12/11/2001
 21:17 (12/11/2001 21:17) 
 >> Heres what i have so far its around 1900 points
 >> 
 >> HQ
 >> Emps Champ
 >> 
 >> Marshal with Pweap Plas Pistol termie honours and bionics
 >> 
 >> Command squad
 >> standard bearer with power weapn
 >> apothecary nathecrium power weapn
 >> techmarine servo arm bolter/flamer combi
 >> 1 marine with meltagun
 >> 
 >> all in razorback with twin linked lascannon and smoke launchers
 Good

 >> 
 >> Chaplain with terminator armour and storm bolter (joins termie squad
 >> 
 >> Elites
 >> 6 terminators 
 >> 1 armed with power sword sarge (book says it has to have it but black templar codex
 says dont have sargents???)The termie squads still get the sarge with the power sword.
 >> 5 with power fists
 >> 1 heavy flamer
 >> 1 assault cannon
 you might want to make it more assaulted oriented because you'll have the chaplin with them.

 >> Troops
 >> 7 marines with cc weap 
 >> 3 newbies
 >> 1 power weapon
 >> 1 flamer
 >> ride in rhino with smok launchers
 Well, I dont like to add neophyates when I dont have to. Marines will do a better job than
 those neophyates.

 >> 6 marines with cc weap
 >> 4 newvies 
 >> 1 power fist
 >> 1 meltagun
 >> ride in rhino with smoke launchers
 See above. Good idea to have a meltagun in there. I'm guessing this is a squad that'll go kill
 some tanks? anyway, give the rhino extra armour. It comes in handy every now and then..

 >> 5 marines with bolters
 >> 1 meltagun
 >> 1 multimelta
 Put them in a razorback with a multimelta on it with smoke launchers and extra armour. Use it
 on the flanks where there are any enemy transports.
 >> 5 marines with bolters
 >> 1 plasma gun
 >> 1 lascannon
 Put em in a razorback if you want, it just gives them more fire support and a place to hide if
 they need to.
 >> fast attack
 >> 
 >> 2 land speeder tornadoes with multi melta and assault cannon
 fine...

 >> 3 marines on bikes 
 >> 1 flamer 
 >> 1 plama gun
 fine...

 >> well thats what i have soo far
 >> 
 >> i was thinking of getting a dreadnought with twin linked las cannon a landreaider4 crusader
 for the termies 2 razorbacks and 2 shotty neophites for the 5 man marine squads?

 Yes good idea, dread and those termies need a place to go in when they cant walk across the
 battlefeild. Dont bother with the neophyates, they can only have CCWs or shoutguns
 anyways. 
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       Review My BT Army . (4 Replies). BAApocolypse[Venom2128@aol.com]. 12/11/2001 11:30
 (12/14/2001 1:36) 
 I have fought like 4 battles with these guy and only tied once. Ok i know my name says BA
 thats cause i switched from ba to BT ok here is my army

 HQ: Emp Champ (with reg gear)

 HQ: High marshal ( from what everyone says marshalls suck so i switched him) with bolt
 pistol honors power fist 

 Troops: 9 Black templars with ccws and bolt pistols Rhino /w power weapon and power fist

 Troops: 9 black templars with ccws and bolt pistols Rhino with power weapon and power fist

 Troops: 10 black templars with bolters and plasma gun and missle launcher Rhino
 

 Elite: 5 terminators with heay flamer

 Fast Attack: Assualt squad ( these guys owned the nids i played against with the 4+ invun
 save , but can they still get that second attack in cc with the storm shield?)

 Fast attack : getting an attack bike

 Heavy support: landraider crusader with smoke launchers
 

 Heavy support: dreadnought with lascannon twin linked and missle launcher
 

 Well thats my army so i hope u like it plz give any comments or questions thank you 
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           RE: Review My BT Army . (3 Replies). FragBait[]. 12/11/2001 18:35 (12/14/2001 1:36) 
 >> HQ: Emp Champ (with reg gear)
 >> HQ: High marshal ( from what everyone says marshalls suck so 
 >> Troops: 9 Black templars with ccws and bolt pistols Rhino /w power weapon and power
 fist
 >> Troops: 9 black templars with ccws and bolt pistols Rhino with power weapon and power
 fist
 >> Troops: 10 black templars with bolters and plasma gun and missle launcher Rhino
 >> Elite: 5 terminators with heay flamer
 >> Fast Attack: Assualt squad ( these guys owned the nids i played against with the 4+ invun
 save , but can they still get that second attack in cc with the storm shield?)
 >> Fast attack : getting an attack bike
 >> Heavy support: landraider crusader with smoke launchers
 >> Heavy support: dreadnought with lascannon twin linked and missle launcher

 That looks like a real well done army, good close combat army. The only real suggestion
 would be to change the High Marshal with a Chaplin (i really dont like Marshals) and give the
 Chap a jumppack so he can go with the Assuat Squad.
 
 

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               RE: RE: Review My BT Army . (2 Replies). BAApocolypse[Venom2128@aol.com]. 12/11/2001
 20:46 (12/14/2001 1:36) 
 >> That looks like a real well done army, good close combat army. The only real suggestion
 would be to change the High Marshal with a Chaplin (i really dont like Marshals) and give the
 Chap a jumppack so he can go with the Assuat Squad.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Got Fragged?

 Thanx its my first BT army and i like it alot( almost as much as my blood angels force which i
 recently massively expanded)

 Yeah i think i might switch the marhsal cause he happens to die alot ( not invu save) but i have
 a question do the assualt troops get the 2 ccw bonus with the storm shield or do they only get
 one little attack? i dont have the codex armageddon i am just listening to what other peeps say
 and makin an army off that

 Thanks for listening and responding 
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                   RE: RE: RE: Review My BT Army . (1 Replies). FragBait[]. 12/11/2001 22:27 (12/14/2001 1:36) 
 >>troops get the 2 ccw bonus with the storm shield or do they only get one little attack?
 

 Yeah, they only get 1 attack. Codex:Arm. says it replaces the bolt pistol and Codex:SM says
 that while the Storm Sheild is a "one handed weapon", its not a true weapon so no extra
 attack, just a +4 save. That came out a little weird, but Im sure you know what I mean. 
 
 

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                       RE: RE: RE: RE: Review My BT Army . (0 Replies). SolarWind[]. 12/14/2001 1:36 (12/14/2001
 1:36) 
 I interpretted that differently cause, it says that it isn't a "weapon per say" but does count as a
 Single handed weapon hence the +1 to attacks, though I do find it very hard to interpret.
 
 

 >> >>troops get the 2 ccw bonus with the storm shield or do they only get one little attack?
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Yeah, they only get 1 attack. Codex:Arm. says it replaces the bolt pistol and Codex:SM
 says that while the Storm Sheild is a "one handed weapon", its not a true weapon so no extra
 attack, just a +4 save. That came out a little weird, but Im sure you know what I mean. 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (3 Replies). templarchampion[]. 12/11/2001 19:08 (12/11/2001 22:37) 
 HQ: 1 emp. Champion
 1 High Marshall w/Powerfist, MC plasma pistol, Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump pack, and
 Bionics. (may be over 100, not sure though)

 Troops: 2 * 15 man tactical squad all with CCW w/plasmacannon and plasmaguns. 

 Elites: 8 man Term. Assault squad with lighting claws
 5 man term. squad w/assault cannon and chainfist
 1 dreadnaught w/lascannon,CCW, and Flamer 
 fast attack: land speeder tornado w/multimelta
 10 man assault squad w/ 2 guys w/plasma pistols,powerfists (led by High Marshall) 

 Heavy Support: 1 Land raider Crusader
 1 Mk.3 land Raider 
 

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           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (1 Replies). HighMarshal[]. 12/11/2001 20:16 (12/11/2001 20:28) 
 >> HQ: 1 emp. Champion
 >> 1 High Marshall w/Powerfist, MC plasma pistol, Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump pack,
 and Bionics. (may be over 100, not sure though)
 Well, you cannot have an iron halo for the HM. Only one per army and the champ got it.

 >> 
 >> Troops: 2 * 15 man tactical squad all with CCW w/plasmacannon and plasmaguns. 
 Plasma cannons for a CC squad is usually not that great of an idea. Eh, then again it may
 work, I dunno........

 >> 
 >> Elites: 8 man Term. Assault squad with lighting clawsfine
 >> 5 man term. squad w/assault cannon and chainfist
 good
 >> 1 dreadnaught w/lascannon,CCW, and Flamer 
 hmm..... Has both CC and long range capabilites. I like to keep it as one job, usually long
 range support. To use half of the weapons on him you'll have to be walking a lot. Just a
 thought...

 >> fast attack: land speeder tornado w/multimelta
 good
 >> 10 man assault squad w/ 2 guys w/plasma pistols,powerfists (led by High Marshall) 
 good
 >> 
 >> Heavy Support: 1 Land raider Crusader
 >> 1 Mk.3 land Raider 

 You'll need more of these to transport the two tac. squads that have 15 guys. 

 Well, your army still needs a little work all together, buy hopefully it will get better. 
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               RE: RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). HighMarshal[]. 12/11/2001 20:28 (12/11/2001
 20:28) 
 >> >> HQ: 1 emp. Champion
 >> >> 1 High Marshall w/Powerfist, MC plasma pistol, Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump
 pack, and Bionics. (may be over 100, not sure though)
 >> Well, you cannot have an iron halo for the HM. Only one per army and the champ got it.
 >> 
 >> >> 
 >> >> Troops: 2 * 15 man tactical squad all with CCW w/plasmacannon and plasmaguns. 
 >> Plasma cannons for a CC squad is usually not that great of an idea. Eh, then again it may
 work, I dunno........
 >> 
 >> >> 
 >> >> Elites: 8 man Term. Assault squad with lighting clawsfine
 >> >> 5 man term. squad w/assault cannon and chainfist
 >> good
 >> >> 1 dreadnaught w/lascannon,CCW, and Flamer 
 >> hmm..... Has both CC and long range capabilites. I like to keep it as one job, usually long
 range support. To use half of the weapons on him you'll have to be walking a lot. Just a
 thought...
 >> 
 >> >> fast attack: land speeder tornado w/multimelta
 >> good
 >> >> 10 man assault squad w/ 2 guys w/plasma pistols,powerfists (led by High Marshall) 
 >> good
 >> >> 
 >> >> Heavy Support: 1 Land raider Crusader
 >> >> 1 Mk.3 land Raider 
 >> 
 >> You'll need more of these to transport the two tac. squads that have 15 guys. 
 >> 
 >> Well, your army still needs a little work all together, buy hopefully it will get better.

 I remember what I was going to say before, you need more troops. Get blood claw packs
 and mount them in rhjinos, dont bother with neophytes. 
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           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). FragBait[]. 12/11/2001 22:37 (12/11/2001 22:37) 
 1 High Marshall w/Powerfist, MC plasma pistol, Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump pack, and
 Bionics. 
 Sorry dude, but the Emp. Champ takes the Iron Halo.

 >>Troops: 2 * 15 man tactical squad all with CCW w/plasmacannon and plasmaguns. 
 Th is an interesting choice for the weapons. You probably dont want to give a heavy weapon
 to a squad thats always going to be on the move. Maybe use a five man squad with that heavy
 for a "cover" sort of squad. You also will probably want a Rhino or two, so these squads
 make it ino combat realitivly intact.

 >> Elites: 8 man Term. Assault squad with lighting claws
 For the Crusader? Great choice.

 >>5 man term. squad w/assault cannon and chainfist
 I think this is going a little Termie heavy. Too many Terminaters usually just take up points and
 room :). Maybe drop these guys and put in another couple of Troop choices.

 >>dreadnaught w/lascannon,CCW, and Flamer
 Good choice. 

 >> fast attack: land speeder tornado w/multimelta
 10 man assault squad w/ 2 guys w/plasma pistols,powerfists (led by High Marshall) 
 You have just touch upon my favorite squad in the whole game, except i usually use a Chaplin
 with them.

 >> Heavy Support: 1 Land raider Crusader
 >>Mk.3 land Raider 
 Good for support :)

 Not too bad.
 

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       Question . (1 Replies). sawblade[]. 12/11/2001 20:57 (12/11/2001 21:05) 
 OK, we can have 15 man squads. So my question is, for a 15 man squad does it have to be
 10 marines 5 scouts, or can it be like 15 marines? Thanks a lot.

 -semperfi 
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           RE: Question . (0 Replies). HadrianFH[]. 12/11/2001 21:05 (12/11/2001 21:05) 
 >> OK, we can have 15 man squads. So my question is, for a 15 man squad does it have to
 be 10 marines 5 scouts, or can it be like 15 marines? Thanks a lot.
 >> 
 >> -semperfi

 Up to 10 Initiates (Marines) and 5 Neophytes (not really scouts, since they only have WS and
 BS of 3). 
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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (2 Replies). Doomhawk[]. 12/11/2001 21:12 (12/14/2001 16:10) 
 Wait! No matter what ANYONE says, DO NOT take a High Marshal instead of a Marshal,
 unless your High Marshal happens to be Helbrecht. Keep in mind, the High Marshal is the
 Black Templars equivalent of a Chapter Master. And a Marshal is not too weak. He has 1
 less wound, and 1 less LD. The higher LD is actually a bad thing (in my opinion) because it
 means you don't fall forward as much. And the one less wound, well live with it. He can't be
 picked off by shooting so that doesn't matter a lot, and it will take a pretty serious close
 combat character to take him down in HtH (an Eldar Banshee exarch being one of the few
 things I've seen that can do it effectively).

 Doomhawk
 -Your honor is your life. Let none dispute it.- 
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           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). humakt[]. 12/12/2001 3:29 (12/12/2001 3:29) 
 >> Wait! No matter what ANYONE says, DO NOT take a High Marshal instead of a
 Marshal, unless your High Marshal happens to be Helbrecht. Keep in mind, the High Marshal
 is the Black Templars equivalent of a Chapter Master. And a Marshal is not too weak. He
 has 1 less wound, and 1 less LD. The higher LD is actually a bad thing (in my opinion)
 because it means you don't fall forward as much. And the one less wound, well live with it. He
 can't be picked off by shooting so that doesn't matter a lot, and it will take a pretty serious
 close combat character to take him down in HtH (an Eldar Banshee exarch being one of the
 few things I've seen that can do it effectively).
 >> 
 >> Doomhawk
 >> -Your honor is your life. Let none dispute it.-

 I think that the 1 extra wound for 15pts is actually better, so I always take the high marshall.
 Otherwise you may as well take the chaplain as he get 1 less wound but, can take a Rosarius.
 I put my High Marshall with my assault terminators, so I dont tend to make that many break
 tests forcing me to move forward (not always a good thing anyway). 
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           Finally... . (0 Replies). Julgrodan[Julgrodan@hotmail.com]. 12/14/2001 16:10 (12/14/2001 16:10) 
 ...someone is making sense! High Marshal this and High Marshal that, what about the
 character of the army? It seems that everyone is only playing to win and not paying any
 attention to the background of the Black Templars. No one seems to use neophytes and the
 ability to field 15 man strong squads, and that -is- the spirit of the templars. Huge squads of
 the emperors finest charging in to the foul enemies of mankind! 

 I never play with any High Marshal unless we play for 2,500 pts or more. Below that and I
 use a Chaplain or Marshal. 

 Well, enough with the whining. Got a bit carried away I think.

 "No pity! No remorse! No fear!"
 Julgrodan 
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       bump . (0 Replies). sawblade[]. 12/12/2001 0:06 (12/12/2001 0:06) 
 >> I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help
 with my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for
 people to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of
 to say you are better than us.
 >> 
 >> HQ 
 >> Marshall
 >> Emperor's Champion
 >> 
 >> ELITES
 >> 1 5 man Terminator Squad
 >> 
 >> TROOPS
 >> 3 10 man Tactical Squads
 >> 
 >> FAST ATTACK
 >> 1 6 man Assault Squad led by Chaplain
 >> 
 >> HEAVY SUPPORT
 >> 2 Land Raider Crusaders
 >> 
 >> Thanks for the help. 
 >> 
 >> -sawblade 
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       shameless bump . (0 Replies). HighMarshal[]. 12/12/2001 15:23 (12/12/2001 15:23) 
 >> I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help
 with my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for
 people to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of
 to say you are better than us.
 >> 
 >> HQ 
 >> Marshall
 >> Emperor's Champion
 >> 
 >> ELITES
 >> 1 5 man Terminator Squad
 >> 
 >> TROOPS
 >> 3 10 man Tactical Squads
 >> 
 >> FAST ATTACK
 >> 1 6 man Assault Squad led by Chaplain
 >> 
 >> HEAVY SUPPORT
 >> 2 Land Raider Crusaders
 >> 
 >> Thanks for the help. 
 >> 
 >> -sawblade 
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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). Tfarcraw[]. 12/13/2001 0:56 (12/13/2001 0:56) 
 >> I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help
 with my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for
 people to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of
 to say you are better than us.
 

 Well, I'll show ya what my army list looks like and tell ya to keep in mind that we BT's LOVE
 the CC and the glorious honor that the slaughter of alien scum brings in the name of the Holy
 Emperor. I'm just offering my list as a sort of comparison even though I'm using fewer pts.

 HQ
 Emp. Champ
 Chaplain w/ Plasma pistol, jump pack, and termie honors (you can even master-craft your
 crozius for the reroll attacks goodness)

 Troops
 29 Marines with CC weaps and BP's
 3 of them with Powerfists
 1 w/ a flamer and 2 w/ meltaguns
 each squad has a rhino with extra armor and smoke launchers to get those marines into
 combat

 Fast Attack
 3 Land Speeders 2 w/ heavy bolters and 1 w/ a multi-melta

 Assault Squad
 7 marines each w/ storm shields and 2 with powerfists

 Attack Bike /w multi-melta

 Heavy Support
 Pred annihilator w/ Lascannon sponsons

 Now, I throw the Chaplain in the assault squad and the Emp. Champ. in the rhino w/ 9
 marines. Then just pretty much rush in close and dump all the marines out and then try to
 concentrate all your marines on one or two enemy squads. Very few units can take 30+
 marines, charging (except maybe other marines). Take out enemy tanks or large threats with
 the Pred and attack bike. The speeders can either whittle down lightly armored troops or take
 down lightly armored vehicles with the bolters or try to take out a tank with the multi-melta.
 It may seem that I don't have enough heavy firepower but I really do. Keep in mind that those
 marines should be real close and 2 squads have meltaguns if you REALLY need to take out a
 tank or something and you also have 5 powerfists 6 if you count the Emp. Champ's Black
 Sword. I have found that this army is very effective and I have massacred an ork army killing
 them to the ork and losing only about 8 models in total. No exaggeration. Sure the dice-rolling
 gods must have been on my side that day but I have been very successful with this list. I
 played many games with the Crusader and found it to use up WAY too many pts for my liking
 so I dropped it. Rhinos may not be able to take the same beating as a Crusader but it hurts a
 lot less when a single Ork missile takes out a Rhino than it does when it destroys a Crusader.

 Well, that's just my opinion on things but I hope I've helped someone out....

 --Tfarcraw 
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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (2 Replies). Skimmer[]. 12/13/2001 1:41 (12/13/2001 20:37) 
 My army list (below) has only been tried twice. True, it won both times, but I'd like a little
 feedback about it.

 HQ

 Emperor's champion, 105pts. 

 High Marshal (I don't actually call him a HIGH marshal, just use the stats and cost),
 Terminator armour, power fist, storm bolter. 115pts

 Chaplain, jump pack, frag grenades, Bolt Pistol, Melta bombs 97pts

 ELITES

 Dread, assault cannon (or heavy bolter, suggestions?) heavy flamer 115 pts

 1 6 man terminator assault squad 3 lightning claw, 1 st. bolter and chain fist, 1 st. bolter and
 power fist, 1 sergeant (accompanied by "high" marshal) 257 pts

 TROOPS

 8x initiates with CCW and B. pistol, 1x flamer, 1xpower fist and B. pistol. 5x neophytes with
 B. pistol and CCW (accompanied by Emp. Champ.) 226pts

 4x initiates with bolters, 1xplasma cannon 90 pts

 5x initiates with b.pistol and CCW 1x flamer, mounted in R.back with ext. armour, dozer
 blades, smoke launchers 169pts

 FAST ATTACK

 6x assault marines with B. pistol, 2x st. shields and CCW, 2x B. Pistol and Power fist.
 (accompanied by chaplain) 286pts

 3x speeders 2 with hvy bolter, 1 with multi melta 165 pts

 HEAVY SUPPORT

 Crusader, dozer blades (carries Term squad) 260pts

 Predator Destructor, heavy bolter sponsons, Dozer blades. 115pts

 TOTAL 2000pts

 this is more for cityfight games. any feedback would be appreciated. 
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           How about a thunderhammer? . (0 Replies). humakt[]. 12/13/2001 3:58 (12/13/2001 3:58) 
 >> ELITES
 >> 
 >> Dread, assault cannon (or heavy bolter, suggestions?) heavy flamer 115 pts
 >> 
 >> 1 6 man terminator assault squad 3 lightning claw, 1 st. bolter and chain fist, 1 st. bolter
 and power fist, 1 sergeant (accompanied by "high" marshal) 257 pts

 Nice list for 2000pts.
 My only comments would be that you could use a Thunderhammer and storm sheild in your
 temi squad. Remeber if you hit with a Thunderhammer your oppnent has to strike last, and
 vehicals are crew stunned. Very useful against wraithlord's and Greater Deamons.

 The assault cannon for the dread as it has higher strength.

 Hope this helps. 
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           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). HighMarshal[]. 12/13/2001 20:37 (12/13/2001 20:37) 
 >> My army list (below) has only been tried twice. True, it won both times, but I'd like a little
 feedback about it.
 >> 
 >> HQ
 >> 
 >> Emperor's champion, 105pts. 
 >> 
 >> High Marshal (I don't actually call him a HIGH marshal, just use the stats and cost)
 Well of course. There is only ONE isnt there? :P

 Terminator armour, power fist, storm bolter. 115pts
 fine
 >> 
 >> Chaplain, jump pack, frag grenades, Bolt Pistol, Melta bombs 97pts
 fine I guess...
 >> ELITES
 >> 
 >> Dread, assault cannon (or heavy bolter, suggestions?) heavy flamer 115 pts
 Hmm.... I'd go with.... the heavy bolter if you're going anti-infantry only because its cheaper.
 >> 1 6 man terminator assault squad 3 lightning claw, 1 st. bolter and chain fist, 1 st. bolter
 and power fist, 1 sergeant (accompanied by "high" marshal) 257 pts
 Good, just get them into combat ASAP.
 >> TROOPS
 >> 
 >> 8x initiates with CCW and B. pistol, 1x flamer, 1xpower fist and B. pistol. 5x neophytes
 with B. pistol and CCW (accompanied by Emp. Champ.) 226pts
 Drop the Neophytes and the special weapons. Use the points to mount them into a rhino so
 they wont have to walk everywhere
 >> 4x initiates with bolters, 1xplasma cannon 90 pts
 Put in a razorback if you wish.
 >> 5x initiates with b.pistol and CCW 1x flamer, mounted in R.back with ext. armour, dozer
 blades, smoke launchers 169pts
 fine, make sure the razorback has Hvy. Bolters.
 >> FAST ATTACK
 >> 
 >> 6x assault marines with B. pistol, 2x st. shields and CCW, 2x B. Pistol and Power fist.
 (accompanied by chaplain) 286pts
 Drop the one of the powerfists

 >> 3x speeders 2 with hvy bolter, 1 with multi melta 165 pts
 fine
 >> HEAVY SUPPORT
 >> 
 >> Crusader, dozer blades (carries Term squad) 260pts
 Fine, might give it smoke launchers too....
 >> Predator Destructor, heavy bolter sponsons, Dozer blades. 115pts
 good.
 >> TOTAL 2000pts
 >> 
 >> this is more for cityfight games. any feedback would be appreciated.

 Ok well, I just realised this was for cityfight. Anyway, you might need some more anti-armor
 weapons. A plasma Cannon isnt going to make it. A lascannon or two will do fine IMO.

 Just a thought... 
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       how many points is that? . (0 Replies). nidlord[]. 12/13/2001 4:01 (12/13/2001 4:01) 
 I think you tie a lot of points up in a few units/transports and it could lead to pain.

 However, would be great fun to play with. 
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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). Angel Master[hphealey@cs.com]. 12/13/2001 21:53
 (12/13/2001 21:53) 
 >> I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help
 with my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for
 people to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of
 to say you are better than us.
 >> 
 >> HQ 
 >> Marshall
 >> Emperor's Champion

 I don't know anything about Marshalls...never seen anybody use them...which might be a
 testimony as to how effective they are.

 >> 
 >> ELITES
 >> 1 5 man Terminator Squad

 Termies are good. Put them in one of those Crusaders with your HQ (they go good with an
 Emperor's Champion), and hope your opponent doesn't blow it up...otherwise, it's likely they
 won't see much action.

 >> 
 >> TROOPS
 >> 3 10 man Tactical Squads

 Max out your basic troops out as much as possible. I play two different Templar armies...one
 just has 10-man squads, but has 2 Whirlwinds in support, and the other max's out his troop
 choices, but only has one Crusader for support. The army with the 10-man squads is much
 more effective...BUT ONLY because he has the Whirlies in support, and mounts all of his
 squads in Rhinos. Food for thought...

 >> 
 >> FAST ATTACK
 >> 1 6 man Assault Squad led by Chaplain

 Keep these guys away from Slugga Boyz and World Eaters...especially your Chaplain...they
 WILL NOT last long.

 >> 
 >> HEAVY SUPPORT
 >> 2 Land Raider Crusaders

 Crusaders are always a good choice in higher point games, but to stay effective in small games
 you're gonna need, at some point, to get hold of a Whirlwind or two, when funds are more
 available.

 >> 
 >> Thanks for the help. 
 >> 
 >> -sawblade

 You're welcome...hope this helped. Templars are a nasty (not cheesy) army when you have
 the right combination put together. Best of Gaming to you!!!!! 
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       RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (2 Replies). SolarWind[]. 12/14/2001 1:55 (12/14/2001 4:34) 
 Well, if we're all sharing army lists, here's mine. I've never lost with this list (tied once). It's a
 standard 1700 pt Tournament army list....

 HQ
 Emperors Champion (with 5 man squad)
 Chaplain - Arificer armour, Bolt pistol, mastercrafted Crozius Arcanum, meltabombs, frag
 grenades, terminator honors (with 10 man squad)

 Elite
 Assault cannon, powerfist, heavy flamer

 Troops
 5 Initiates - Lascannon
 5 Initiates - Lascannon
 5 Initiates - Plasmacannon
 5 Initiates - CCW's, Powerfist, flamer (razorback) 
 5 Initiates - CCW's, Powerfist, flamer (razorback)
 10 Initiates - CCW's, Powerfist, meltagun (in crusader)

 Fast Attack
 5 Assault Marines - Storm shields, Powerfist, power sword

 Heavy Support
 Whirlwind
 Predator Annilhator - Sponson Heavy bolters
 Land raider crusader

 I was surprised at the number of initates I could fit into this list (35!). General tactic is Charge
 with CC initiates and have cover fire from non CC.
 *note: My army is heavy anti-Infantry (PA /w Sponson Heavy Bolters) but seems to work
 well against even space marines.
 

 >> I haven't seen any of these up yet. So here, I made one. For starters, I need some help
 with my army list, what should I get next, what tactics are best etc.. This is not a place for
 people to vent their anger at BT's or to say that we are cheesey (even though my army is) of
 to say you are better than us. 
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           RE: RE: BLACK TEMPLAR THREAD . (0 Replies). SolarWind[]. 12/14/2001 2:04 (12/14/2001 2:04) 
 Ooops...
 the Elite choice is a Dreadnought 
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           Loads and loads of men . (0 Replies). humakt[]. 12/14/2001 4:34 (12/14/2001 4:34) 
 I must say I am truly impressed. I personally dont like the lack of mobility that this army has,
 as this doesnt suit the way I use BT's. However I can see that even Nids and WE would have
 difficulty in the charge against this army.

 I take it you use the dismaounted squads as fire support teams to support the razorback and
 crusader assault teams getting to the enemy.

 I am considering getting a Whirlwind now as so many people appear to use them. See my
 army list below this one.
 

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       Tell me what you think. . (0 Replies). humakt[]. 12/14/2001 4:28 (12/14/2001 4:28) 
 HQ 1
 High Marshall
 Terminator armour, master crafted lightning claws and purity seal.

 HQ 2
 Emporers Champion (need I say more)

 Elite 1
 Dreadnought with twin linked lascannon.

 Elite 2
 Assault Terminators
 Sgt and 2 Terminators with Lightning claws.
 2 Terminators with Thunder hammers and storm sheilds

 Troop 1
 6 Marine Tactical squad. 5 Bolters and 1 Plasma gun

 Troop 2
 6 Marine Tactical squad. 5 Bolters and 1 Plasma gun
 Razorback with twin linked Lascannon, smoke launchers and extra 
 armour.

 Troop 3
 5 Marine Tactical squad. 4 CCW and Bolt Pistols and 1 Power weapon 
 and Bolt Pistol.

 Fast Attack 1
 6 Assault Marines. 4 CCW and Bolt Pistol and 2 Power weapon and Bolt 
 Pistol.

 Heavy 1
 Landraider Crusader
 Smoke launcher and dozer blade.

 This is a 1500 point army and it works a treat for me at least. The High Marshall and
 Terminators all bundle into the Crusader. The EMps CHamp goes with the 5 man tactical
 squad in the Razorback. These 2 squads will attempt to overpower a flank whislt the rest of
 the army provide fire support. If the assault needs some assistance I can throw the other
 razorback forward to assist.
 I did at once stage have a Lascannon on the unmounted tactical squad but it never proved its
 worth so I lost it for a better high marshall.

 Let me know what you think. I reckon this army has won about 90% of its games, but I have
 yet to play against orks, world eaters or Tau.
 
 

 Humakt, Gloranthan God of War 
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