What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? BloodAngelBrotherEdward.
       So far... 'Nids GawaintheStout (1/25/2002 18:02). 
           RE: So far... 'Nids HarkonGreywolf (1/25/2002 20:30). 
               RE: RE: So far... 'Nids GawaintheStout (1/26/2002 1:35). 
       Problems with armys.... CrimsonFistBrotherJason (1/25/2002 18:03). 
       The Bane of my existence Cadaver (1/25/2002 18:35). 
           RE: The Bane of my existence Tamat (1/25/2002 21:31). 
           easy to counter..... baronsmeg (1/25/2002 21:46). 
           Simple solution for you ganave (1/26/2002 2:26). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? HarkonGreywolf
 (1/25/2002 20:34). 
           RE: RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? Cadaver
 (1/25/2002 20:40). 
       I PLAY BLOOD ANGELS AND TAU jasonstevenson (1/25/2002 21:16). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? Hellzbane (1/25/2002
 21:17). 
       What worked 4 me vs Eldar saim-hann chaoslordgareth (1/25/2002 21:37). 
           RE: What worked 4 me vs Eldar saim-hann jasonstevenson (1/25/2002 21:42). 
       god I hate the Tau icculus (1/25/2002 21:43). 
       well with my armys! baronsmeg (1/25/2002 21:49). 
       Well.......it's not the armies :-] nag (1/25/2002 21:55). 
       Good evening all :-) BloodAngelBrotherEdward (1/26/2002 0:18). 
       the DICE, the DICE have turned against me! mempheston (1/26/2002 2:47). 
           I hear you man! IGEnder (1/26/2002 15:40). 
       so far just blood angels Journey (1/26/2002 10:24). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? blantyr (1/26/2002
 10:55). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? plxvandyk (1/26/2002
 14:58). 
       heh heh....Eldar shooty, e? Frostbyte (1/26/2002 15:28). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? Spika (1/26/2002
 15:33). 
           RE: RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? Spika
 (1/26/2002 18:20). 
       Blood Angels, because.. therealmerlin (1/26/2002 15:37). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? xannatose (1/26/2002
 16:47). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? Doomhawk
 (1/26/2002 17:31). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? ScreamingHell
 (1/26/2002 18:04). 
       Da Bug Skom BlakkArrgarrd (1/26/2002 18:04). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? Eek (1/26/2002 18:18).
       Stupid dice... Bad luck... BAD LUCK NOT GO GOOD WITH DICES!!! (NT) ScreamingHell (1/26/2002
 18:21). 
       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? killerkanuck
 (1/26/2002 20:05). 
       I had the same problem FarseerNootka (1/26/2002 20:30). 
       I play IG, and well KORN!!! YourRadio (1/26/2002 20:49). 
           RE: I play IG, and well KORN!!! Spika (1/26/2002 21:35). 
       My nemisi are The Players!! Peedo (1/26/2002 20:52). 
       back to the front with you! BloodAngelBrotherEdward (1/27/2002 0:28). 
 
 

  What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (39 Replies).
 BloodAngelBrotherEdward[]. 1/25/2002 17:44 (1/27/2002 0:28) 
 Hello everyone

 Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult time? and
 the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to the whole
 forum - because they're good questions!

 So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you fits - tell
 us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 

 I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding some
 answers :-)

 Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward

 PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of you have
 heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at us, while
 also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them more
 time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people begin to
 accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has improved
 in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets about
 fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen carefully to
 each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but they still don't
 bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 

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       So far... 'Nids . (2 Replies). GawaintheStout[]. 1/25/2002 18:02 (1/26/2002 1:35) 
 Most of the battles I've fought in as a newcomer to the war have been close, usually lost due
 to my poor tactics and knowledge of the rules of war than anything else.

 However, the battle I think I wouldn't have had a chance with anyway would be 'Nids.

 Against 1000 points of Wolves (me), I faced about 20 Hermies, 20 Termies, A Carni, a
 Tyrant, a Lictor, 2 Zoanthropes and 8 Genestealers.

 At the time I had 10 Blood Claws, 10 grey hunters, 3 Long Fangs, Wolf Lord and Wolf
 Priest, and Venerable Dreadnought.

 The dreadnought engaged the Carni, and wounded it bad before getting ripped up. Together
 the Hive Tyrant and Carni began tearing up my grey hunters, though in the end, we killed the
 Tyrant.

 My bloodclaws charged the genestealers while they (the stealers) were still moving through a
 bunch of ruins (heavy terrain)... I figured our only chance was simultaneous frag-friendly
 combat.

 We actually won the combat, killing 6 of the stealers, to 6 of our claws (and won moral high
 ground).. but of course the lictor was right there, and tore us a new one immediately after.

 At the end of 4 turns we ended up being less than 25% in both troop squads, and full strength
 in the long fangs... but still faced 2 full squads of gaunts, and 2 artillery units on the clear end of
 the board.

 If the battle had continued, those gaunts would have overwhelmed our remaining forces
 through simple sheer numbers.
 

 Since then, I've beefed up my forces. The fangs have been put inside a leman russ that can
 carve gaunt units into tiny bits. The dreadnought doesn't wander into combat on his own. The
 grey hunters have a LasCannon-mounted Razorback that can help against big-ass monsters.
 But I'm still afeared that by sheer numbers we may still be in trouble. 
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           RE: So far... 'Nids . (1 Replies). HarkonGreywolf[]. 1/25/2002 20:30 (1/26/2002 1:35) 
 >> 
 >> Since then, I've beefed up my forces. The fangs have been put inside a leman russ that can
 carve gaunt units into tiny bits. 

 Sorry, not possible! Leman Russ does not have troop transport option, and Long Fangs can
 only be transported by a rhino or Land Raider (per codex SW's)

 Did you mean Land Raider????

 Harkon Greywolf 
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               RE: RE: So far... 'Nids . (0 Replies). GawaintheStout[]. 1/26/2002 1:35 (1/26/2002 1:35) 
 >> >> 
 >> >> Since then, I've beefed up my forces. The fangs have been put inside a leman russ that
 can carve gaunt units into tiny bits. 
 >> 
 >> Sorry, not possible! Leman Russ does not have troop transport option, and Long Fangs
 can only be transported by a rhino or Land Raider (per codex SW's)
 >> 
 >> Did you mean Land Raider????
 >> 
 >> Harkon Greywolf

 LOL Sorry Harkon... what I meant is that the Long Fangs have "retired" so to speak. I field
 the Leman Russ instead. But for Fluff, I say that they're manning the tank (no split fire or
 anything, still just official rules).

 Then, if I decide to play them instead of the LR, I just say the tank was in the shop, or they
 were on a drop mission and couldn't bring it or something.

 Didn't mean to imply that they travel with an extra Exterminator in their field gear! 
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       Problems with armys.... . (0 Replies). CrimsonFistBrotherJason[]. 1/25/2002 18:03 (1/25/2002 18:03) 
 My enemy as a fist player is deffintly the nids, eldar, or orcs. Also the tau are a real pain. You
 dont know how many times I loose a land raider to a rail gun. I have some probs with the nids
 , only with the close combat, plus i hate those spore mines. 
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       The Bane of my existence . (3 Replies). Cadaver[]. 1/25/2002 18:35 (1/26/2002 2:26) 
 Here it goes..BA Edward
 I play Black Templars as you know.
 The absolutely worst army i faced is an ELDAR ALAITOC. I am 0 and 8 against them.
 Here's the tactics and force he uses that i can not counter at all!
 Average 1500pt or more I don't remember

 HQ
 Farseer

 Troops
 4 squads of 4 rangers
 1 squad of 3 pathfinders
 2 squads of 20 guardians w/ a starcannon and warlock(conceal) each 

 Elites 
 10 scorpions in a wave serpent accompanied by the Farseer

 Fast
 3 Vypers each w/ Brightlance (seperate units)

 Heavy
 Wraithlord w/ bright lance
 (maybe 2nd wraithlord also w/ bright lance)

 Thats it...let me tell you this army kicks my ass.
 1st the ranger disruption chart which he has 4 rolls on.
 (pins, puts squads in reserve, and free shots)
 On his first turn he concentrates all the brightlances on my LandRaider then all my
 transports...when they are done he uses star cannons to clean up light vehicles.
 Then Snipers fire on newly exposed squads or already exposed troops causing PINNING
 tests.
 After 2 turns of this he sends his wave serpent w/ scorpions to assault whittled down infantry.
 I think its 9 not 10 scorpions are too much to deal w/ when not at full strength.
 Then when my forced reserves finally come into play the rest of the army is too weak to
 support and finally by backfield crumbles

 Mind you I'm no rookie but I need help w/ this army...they are near invulnerable...the guy said
 that he has never lost w/ them except to another alaitoc army
 Please help!
 High Marshal Cadaver 
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           RE: The Bane of my existence . (0 Replies). Tamat[]. 1/25/2002 21:31 (1/25/2002 21:31) 
 You're Templars. Use more troops and less heavy vehicles. Using the vow that makes you
 always hit on 3+ in close combat would be of great help. Use Rhinos going their full distance
 to close with the enemy and smoke launchers to ensure you get their. Again don't bother with
 the Land Raider. It's just going to get blown up. 
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           easy to counter..... . (0 Replies). baronsmeg[]. 1/25/2002 21:46 (1/25/2002 21:46) 
 first of if you are in a vehicle he cant use his disrutption table, you also get the added benefit of
 being very mobile!

 flammers flammers flammers!!!!

 ignore those pesky cover saves of his and his rangers will be hurting! 

 as far as the scorps make ema priority, if you have razor backs enougth lascannons will
 eventually bring them down and hopfully they will take some casualties!

 other than that just use your normal tactics for every thing else!

 basically take a vehicle park it next to his rangers get out and flame em!

 Baronsmeg and his mini lop! 
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           Simple solution for you . (0 Replies). ganave[n/a]. 1/26/2002 2:26 (1/26/2002 2:26) 
 Take your squads, and break them up into 5 men squads max. Have them close enough to
 support each other. This spreads out the effects of pinning, since he can't split his fire. Don't
 take any vehicles, they're just going to die hard and fast. Take lots of regular ole tactical space
 marines, dig in, and give em hell. A space marine is more than a match for the alien scum. 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (1 Replies).
 HarkonGreywolf[]. 1/25/2002 20:34 (1/25/2002 20:40) 
 Hi,
 Ok the army my SW's have most trouble against is still Eldar! The Dark Reapers are too
 good against SM's!!! First round, wave good-bye to most or all long fangs, effectively wiping
 out my long range offence! Second round taking out the transports, whichever is the most
 threat! Third round taking out the nearest CC squad threat!
 I must get more transports!

 I have to say though that I've never yet faced Nids so have absolutely no idea how I'd fare
 against them. I reckon they'd probably wipe the floor with me as my battle experience is very
 limited.

 Harkon Greywolf
 >> Hello everyone
 >> 
 >> Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult time?
 and the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to the
 whole forum - because they're good questions!
 >> 
 >> So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you fits -
 tell us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 
 >> 
 >> I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding
 some answers :-)
 >> 
 >> Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward
 >> 
 >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of you
 have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at us,
 while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 >> 
 >> 
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           RE: RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 Cadaver[]. 1/25/2002 20:40 (1/25/2002 20:40) 
 The last time i saw Dark Reapers on the board...i used my Terminators to sheild the assault
 forces of my army..keeping the transports behind cover...Termies can save....and tear up the
 reapers w/ their own mobile fire (missile launcher and assault cannon) Focus all fire on them
 including all infantry. Once they are eliminated...have fun w/ the rest.
 >> >> Hello everyone
 >> >> 
 >> >> Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult
 time? and the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to
 the whole forum - because they're good questions!
 >> >> 
 >> >> So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you
 fits - tell us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 
 >> >> 
 >> >> I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding
 some answers :-)
 >> >> 
 >> >> Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward
 >> >> 
 >> >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of
 you have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at
 us, while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 >> >> 
 >> >> 
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       I PLAY BLOOD ANGELS AND TAU . (0 Replies). jasonstevenson[]. 1/25/2002 21:16 (1/25/2002 21:16) 
 I PLAY BOTH BLOOD ANGELS AND TAU MY ARMIES ARE

 BASICLY
 CHAPLAIN
 DEATH COMPANY
 RHINO

 3 10 MARINE SQUADS
 3 RHINOS

 DREAD MULTI MELTA

 5 ASSAULT MARINES

 LANDSPEEDER TORNADO

 INTERCHANGE A FEW OTHER UNITS EVERONE HAS ALL THE PLASMA
 WEAPONS 
 AND KRAK GRENADES THEY CAN GET. I GO FULL SPEED DOWN ONE SIDE
 OF THE TABLE HIDING VEHICLE BEHIND EACH OTHER AND THERE IS SO
 MANY RHINOS THAT THEY COVER EACH OTHER AND I OVERWELM ONE
 SIDE THEN MOP UP THE REST WORKS GOOD
 

 TAU

 ETHEREAL
 SHASO
 2 BODYGAURD

 3 CRISIS

 6 STEALTH

 10 KROOT
 8 HOUNDS

 48 FIRE WARRIORS

 3 BROADSIDE

 MY BLOOD ANGELS STRUGGLE AGAINST ORCS AND NIDS ONLY BECAUSE
 OF THIER SHEER NUMBERS 

 AND MY TAU STRUGGLE BADLY AGAINST BLOOD ANGELS ORCS AND NIDS
 BECAUSE OF THE SPEED OF THERE ASSAULT 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 Hellzbane[]. 1/25/2002 21:17 (1/25/2002 21:17) 
 With my tau, my biggest problem is space wolves. Scouts that pop up behind me coupled
 with assassins really hurts. Their HQs are very scary aswell. However, my tyranids eat these
 guys for breakfast.

 With my Tyranids, generic cultist heavy chaos armies are the worst. The combination of 3
 point cultist screens, powerful shooting, and great hth really do it in for me. My lictors can't get
 at the vital shooting squad without running into a big mob of cultists, allowing the havok
 squads and tanks to blow apart my monstrous creatures. When my troops run into the cultists,
 his powerful hth squads counter charge from the other side, doing in whatever made it through
 the shooting. 
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       What worked 4 me vs Eldar saim-hann . (1 Replies).
 chaoslordgareth[chaos_lord_gareth@hotmail.com]. 1/25/2002 21:37 (1/25/2002 21:42) 
 hi.

 i play chaos and bet eldar a couple of times so...

 2 tactics:

 1-COVER

 get all you troops out of LOS of initial eldar deployment and wair for them to come to you
 (worked with chaos but not too sure about BA's)then rush them. both a cover save (i've got
 more fortifications being built which makes it even easier) and the 3+ should prevent too many
 losses while they're closing in

 2-FIREPOWER

 i have decided to max out on heavy support and this also worked quite well. (NB, quite a
 small battle 1000 pts so not much else) i just kept most of my tanks hull down and fired upon
 them as they advanced. i.e. hit the things that will hurt e.g. (in order to kill) prisms, anything
 with hi strength, wraithlords, falcons etc. once again if u have a land raider its good as the
 mighty 2 lascannon hits can cause mayhem on an armour 12 falcon/prism. devastators are
 good 4 this (can BA's take them?) on a big field it should work ok

 once again i'm not sure if this will work too well with u assaulty types...i play thousnad sons
 and prefer the stand and shoot drill.

 e-mail me to tell me how it goes

 chaos lord gareth

 p.s personally i hate the tau. haven't played against them yet but i dont like the look of s10
 AP2 linked railguns as far as any heavy support is concerned. Any help would be
 appreciated! (e-mail once again)

 thanks 
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           RE: What worked 4 me vs Eldar saim-hann . (0 Replies). jasonstevenson[]. 1/25/2002 21:42
 (1/25/2002 21:42) 
 >> hi.
 >> 
 >> i play chaos and bet eldar a couple of times so...
 >> 
 >> 2 tactics:
 >> 
 >> 1-COVER
 >> 
 >> get all you troops out of LOS of initial eldar deployment and wair for them to come to you
 (worked with chaos but not too sure about BA's)then rush them. both a cover save (i've got
 more fortifications being built which makes it even easier) and the 3+ should prevent too many
 losses while they're closing in
 >> 
 >> 2-FIREPOWER
 >> 
 >> i have decided to max out on heavy support and this also worked quite well. (NB, quite a
 small battle 1000 pts so not much else) i just kept most of my tanks hull down and fired upon
 them as they advanced. i.e. hit the things that will hurt e.g. (in order to kill) prisms, anything
 with hi strength, wraithlords, falcons etc. once again if u have a land raider its good as the
 mighty 2 lascannon hits can cause mayhem on an armour 12 falcon/prism. devastators are
 good 4 this (can BA's take them?) on a big field it should work ok
 >> 
 >> once again i'm not sure if this will work too well with u assaulty types...i play thousnad
 sons and prefer the stand and shoot drill.
 >> 
 >> e-mail me to tell me how it goes
 >> 
 >> chaos lord gareth
 >> 
 >> p.s personally i hate the tau. haven't played against them yet but i dont like the look of s10
 AP2 linked railguns as far as any heavy support is concerned. Any help would be
 appreciated! (e-mail once again)
 >> 
 >> thanks

 YOU HALF TO ASSAULT THE TAU FULL SPEED OR YOU WILL LOSE. READ MY
 TAU AND BLOOD ANGELS POST IN THIS SECTION FOR MORE ANSWER 
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       god I hate the Tau . (0 Replies). icculus[]. 1/25/2002 21:43 (1/25/2002 21:43) 
 I hate the Tau. Their basic weapons are able to cause glancing hits to my rhinos. They always
 tend to shoot everything before it gets to them. Im so ticked off with the Tau im gonna resort
 to using a Calidus assasin against them. The person that I usually play against just sits back
 and fires away on me, I cant save everything. My poor blood claws never make it. 
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       well with my armys! . (0 Replies). baronsmeg[]. 1/25/2002 21:49 (1/25/2002 21:49) 
 with my blood angles, it is the nids!!

 with my tau it is the blood angles (although this has started to change!) 

 with my eldar it is the nids again!

 Baronsmeg and his mini lop! 
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       Well.......it's not the armies :-] . (0 Replies). nag[]. 1/25/2002 21:55 (1/25/2002 21:55) 
 Howdy Brother Edward,

 Hmm... Well for me it's not the army(or armies) that I find most challenging....it's the person
 playing it. I play many armies(Vanilla Marines, Orks, Space Wolves, World Eaters, Tyranids)
 so I fight in just about all spectrums of the game. 

 While armies may give some problems(Orks for example might have trouble taking on an
 army like the Tau...lots of firepower with good range compared to an army that couldn't hit
 the broad side of a barn with a flamer if they were beside it:-]), I find it is the actual player that
 gives me problems. Many times I have fought against a most tenacious and deadly foe in the
 form of my buddy Ben. 

 Ben, my friends, is a man without luck. So far he has only won 2 or three games ever. He's
 been playing for 6 or 7 years. Now you may say, "What make his so challenging?". Well, it's
 really quite simple.....he learns from his mistakes. Before he would maybe kill 3 or 4 of my
 guys, now he slaughters them wholesale. Where before the victory points were so far apart it
 was insane, it is now so close, it generally hinges on a few hundered VPs I earned for the
 mission to decide the victor.

 Well, on to my point...it's not the army in my eyes that's challenging..it's the player. I've
 rambled on here enough...hope y'all have a great day(or night or afternoon).

 =][=

 Inquisitor Nathan Garrison
 motto: "Nothin says lovin, like burnin out a coven" 
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       Good evening all :-) . (0 Replies). BloodAngelBrotherEdward[]. 1/26/2002 0:18 (1/26/2002 0:18) 
 I regret I cannot visit tonight, but I'm glad that people are sending in their stories, I'll look it
 over in the morning :-)

 happy gaming to all ~ Brother Edward 
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       the DICE, the DICE have turned against me! . (1 Replies). mempheston[]. 1/26/2002 2:47 (1/26/2002
 15:40) 
 Chaos, but not just any Chaos.

 chaos when played by my arch Enemy (guy from school)

 when ever I play against him My rolling turns from average to just down right CR*P!

 Eg. lost 10 termies to 2 CSM Tac sqds or entire HQ sqd wiped out in cc by a SINGLE
 jugganaught.

 But with the same things against other players well. the jugganaught would have killed 1
 honour guard member and the Tactical sqd would have been turned to slush.

 Just that ONE guy NEVER beat him I have changed tactics EVERY game, to counter him, to
 suprise him, too overwhelm him. Still ends in the poor rolling.
 

 Be Bloody, Bold and Resolute! 
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           I hear you man! . (0 Replies). IGEnder[]. 1/26/2002 15:40 (1/26/2002 15:40) 
 I have a problem a lot like that. the dice in this world hate me!!! my friend deep strikes his 5
 termies behind my lines. i shoot ALL my guns (so what if they are lasguns, there is so many
 shots), and i kill 1 MAYBE 2 of them, then they kill my tanks, and my men, and everyone,
 and i die, and it sux....::sniff::.....
 

 Col. Ender Valhalla 14 
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       so far just blood angels . (0 Replies). Journey[]. 1/26/2002 10:24 (1/26/2002 10:24) 
 as a tau player, the only faction I find myself with a record of only losing against is blood
 angels.

 Last game I played against blood angels, he won the roll off and I ended up having an assault
 squad in the middle of one of my fire warrior teams first turn and his death company sitting on
 top of my kroot at the same time. Second turn saw the end of the fire warrior squad and his
 assault squad in the middle of another one, while the kroot vanely held their own against the
 death company (curse the fact they get two chances to avoid wounds). another lucky black
 rage and his termies got right into my crisis team, while his land raider killed my hammerhead
 with a lascannon.

 I won't bore you with the specifics from here on out, its just alot more of the similiar except
 that at one point my fire warrior team actually won(!) a close combat against the assault squad
 and forced them to fallback.

 My main problem here is just how fast blood angels can close the gap, and the ability of death
 company to ignore wounds that get past armour saves. 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies). blantyr[].
 1/26/2002 10:55 (1/26/2002 10:55) 
 Interesting thread. It seems that different armies have different opponents they can't handle. It
 reinforces that numberous army lists can be abused to create armies that certain opponents
 can't handle very easily.

 My recent bane has been an army of Black Templar close combat specialists, every one in
 transports with smoke and extra armor. They are in close combat on turn two, with the 3+
 Templar oath. He does scatter a few power fists, meltas and krak grenades about to handle
 armor, but in general it is all close in stuff, no shooting to speak of.

 But my Chaos force (cultists, havocs with lascannon, demon cavalry, marines with close
 combat weapons) is similar enough to one of the other armies on this list that I'm not sure how
 much I can complain. 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 plxvandyk[]. 1/26/2002 14:58 (1/26/2002 14:58) 
 hmm... i agree with the post further up that says it's not what you face... it's WHO you face...

 an army is only as good as the mind controlling it... i've seen an ork army take on and beat all
 opponents, while i've also seen an ork army played so badly it had lost 80% of it's units by
 turn 2... (painful but true)

 an excellent commander with a good comprehension of tactical situations and with an average
 army list will invariably defeat an average commander with a great army list...

 --------------------

 as for what i have trouble beating... i'd say black templars and anything that has a lot of T5+
 troops...

 I play IG... and the black templars give me problems because they have large units,
 untargettable power-weapons in basic squads and they fall forward instead of back...

 after BT i'd say i'm most scared of dark eldar... some units that are nasty enough in HtH to
 cream my infantry and enough heavy weapons and numbers to deal with my vehicles and
 rapid-firing weapons...

 i have no problems with orks, blood angels, standard marines, most eldar (iyanden irritate me
 but i generally beat them), most chaos (though chaos armies that drive up and summon cavalry
 within charge range on turn 1 are EVIL [both literally and figuratively])

 cheers
 plxvandyk 
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       heh heh....Eldar shooty, e? . (0 Replies). Frostbyte[]. 1/26/2002 15:28 (1/26/2002 15:28) 
 heheh..I collect Eldar! THe army which gives me the most hassle is Nids, coz they're so
 flippin' fast!

 Bye the way, Brother Edward I have been on you site and i have to say it's THE BEST 40K
 SITE AROUND (apart from GW, of course). 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (1 Replies). Spika[].
 1/26/2002 15:33 (1/26/2002 18:20) 
 >> Hello everyone
 >> 
 >> Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult time?
 and the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to the
 whole forum - because they're good questions!
 >> 
 >> So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you fits -
 tell us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 
 >> 
 >> I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding
 some answers :-)
 >> 
 >> Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward
 >> 
 >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of you
 have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at us,
 while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 >> 
 >> 

 I also play BA (until I can assemble a few more DE Warriors, I have 3 full squads of elites
 though...) and I would have to say that Armored Company gives me the most trouble. Death
 Company is fairly useless against these guys (except maybe the chaplain), the Baal Predator
 can try to get some lucky glancing shots (worst rule ever), and thats about it. It probably didn't
 help that my devastators raged the first 2 turns...they were in prime position to take out his
 basilisks but decided to charge ahead instead...jerks. Anyhew, I had some bad rolls too, but
 I'll get over it. Just another problem to work through... 
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           RE: RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 Spika[]. 1/26/2002 18:20 (1/26/2002 18:20) 
 >> >> Hello everyone
 >> >> 
 >> >> Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult
 time? and the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to
 the whole forum - because they're good questions!
 >> >> 
 >> >> So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you
 fits - tell us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 
 >> >> 
 >> >> I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding
 some answers :-)
 >> >> 
 >> >> Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward
 >> >> 
 >> >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of
 you have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at
 us, while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 >> >> 
 >> >> 
 >> 
 >> I also play BA (until I can assemble a few more DE Warriors, I have 3 full squads of elites
 though...) and I would have to say that Armored Company gives me the most trouble. Death
 Company is fairly useless against these guys (except maybe the chaplain), the Baal Predator
 can try to get some lucky glancing shots (worst rule ever), and thats about it. It probably didn't
 help that my devastators raged the first 2 turns...they were in prime position to take out his
 basilisks but decided to charge ahead instead...jerks. Anyhew, I had some bad rolls too, but
 I'll get over it. Just another problem to work through...

 I think I need to get a couple more attack bikes, because if devastators
 rage-->AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, when attack bikes
 rage-->WOOHOO That much closer. Does this sound like a good strategy or will I be
 flushing $20 a pop down the toilet? 
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       Blood Angels, because.. . (0 Replies). therealmerlin[merlinsalisbury@hotmail.com]. 1/26/2002 15:37
 (1/26/2002 15:37) 
 Before IA: Worldeaters came out, i was using a Berzerker heavy Chaos army and getting
 slaughtered every time (as yet my win/loss record is still nil to me). It was those damned death
 company mainly. They went right through my berzerkers thanks to the ignore injury rule. Add
 to that Dante and his completely power weaponed honour guards and a lot of my army would
 get hacked down. 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 xannatose[]. 1/26/2002 16:47 (1/26/2002 16:47) 
 as an eldar player imperial guard has been my bigest problem the fact that they can take so
 many transports and heavy vehichles can hurt real bad for instance last night/this morning(didnt
 finish game till 730 am) the IG player had 5 chimera's,a leman russ,a leman russ devistator,a
 gryphon mortar,a hell hound,and 2 sentinals between his ord weapons hitting exactly where he
 wanted them(he never scattered more then 1" from his placement)and my inability to penitrate
 any of his armor it just went really bad he didnt even deply any of his troops by god :( i had
 super poor rolling sucky to hit rolls and none of my brightlance shots rolled more then a 4
 twice 

 i had 2 falcons,1 fire prism 2 wraithlords 6 vypers and a support weapon crew we played a
 4k game and his partner was space wolves who had a venerable dread,a landraider,a
 whirlwind,and leman russ exterminator
 

 just the sheer number of tanks on the board has been a big problem for me i had no trouble
 with terminators or space marines or reg troops just cant hurt all that armor quick enough and
 it just devistates me 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 Doomhawk[PAW]. 1/26/2002 17:31 (1/26/2002 17:31) 
 My friend's Biel-Tan Eldar give me nightmares. I play Black Templars, and I am always
 surprised (you'd think I'd be used to it by now!) when I get into assault, and I actually lose...
 And it's not just losing that round, either. It turns into a slugfest (you know, the classic combat
 with 6 units in the center of the board) and the Eldar somehow win by attrition. Yup, that's
 right, the Eldar win by attrition.
 Of course, I've done better against them lately... Up until very recently, I had a VERY limited
 number of models, and my friend could take practically anything he wanted. So I always
 found myself with a non-coherent army. Now, though, my armies actually look like armies
 instead of several individual squads, and I'm working on my coordination - and things are
 going very well. I haven't played my friend's Eldar recently (although I have played his Tau, his
 Dark Eldar, my other friend's Nids, my other other friend's Speed Freeks, and won all of
 them :D), but since I've been doing very well recently, I can't wait to test my skills against
 them... 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 ScreamingHell[Changi2000@AOL.com]. 1/26/2002 18:04 (1/26/2002 18:04) 
 >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of you
 have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at us,
 while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)

 +++ Ahh... Yes... What kind of army do you normally use against Eldar (it would be best if
 you give us an army list) ? Tell me this and I will help you. For now, get behind cover and
 advance (while shooting at the Eldar) upon them, then you can crush them with the might of
 Sanguinuis! Also, add some more far ranged weapons to your squads (if you can) , but still,
 keep lots of ccws and Assault Squads. 

 Screaming Hell 
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       Da Bug Skom . (0 Replies). BlakkArrgarrd[]. 1/26/2002 18:04 (1/26/2002 18:04) 
 Even those bugs challenge my waaagh!
 As they are better in close combat i need a lot of fire power to cut them down and then
 charge them.
 One of nid buddies takes in battle 100 gaunts and 2 flying tyrants.
 I take 120 huntas(feral orks), 2 squiggoths, a nasty warboss retinue mounted on boars, trappa
 boyz bombz and lobbas.
 With that i had halved those 100 gaunts to 40 in two turns!!! The feral orks's fire power is
 awesome. But then he charges my mobs with those tyrants or genestealers and that's when i
 begin to pray to Gork and Mork.
 Fortunatly, my boss retinue is unstoppable. They charge 12" and may move up to 12" so they
 tore fast in close combat. Having 4 models armed with burnas and mounted on ciboars allows
 me to have 25 attacks with no save available who strike first always(well, almost)so even
 those tyrants can't survive to that.
 I had lost those nids twice and won 4. But they are an incredible army and very difficult to
 defeat them.
 Another army who challenge the green power is the BA, but only when i take speed freeks. If
 i take orks or even feral orks, BA are gonna cry.

 Warlord Arrgarrd "Bonekrusha" Hadhash
 Great Kommander of the Blakk Slayers Tribe
 

 >> Hello everyone
 >> 
 >> Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult time?
 and the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to the
 whole forum - because they're good questions!
 >> 
 >> So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you fits -
 tell us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 
 >> 
 >> I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding
 some answers :-)
 >> 
 >> Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward
 >> 
 >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of you
 have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at us,
 while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 >> 
 >> 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies). Eek[].
 1/26/2002 18:18 (1/26/2002 18:18) 
 them stupid demons of chaos........but now i made me and inquisitor(happy thoughts) 
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       Stupid dice... Bad luck... BAD LUCK NOT GO GOOD WITH DICES!!! (NT) . (0 Replies).
 ScreamingHell[]. 1/26/2002 18:21 (1/26/2002 18:21) 
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       RE: What army challenges you the most? What happens in those games? . (0 Replies).
 killerkanuck[]. 1/26/2002 20:05 (1/26/2002 20:05) 
 >>I collect Chaos Space Marines, and my toughest opponent so far would either have to be
 Space Marines, or Imperial Gurad basilisks.

 Hello everyone
 >> 
 >> Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult time?
 and the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to the
 whole forum - because they're good questions!
 >> 
 >> So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you fits -
 tell us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 
 >> 
 >> I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding
 some answers :-)
 >> 
 >> Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward
 >> 
 >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of you
 have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at us,
 while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 >> 
 >> 
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       I had the same problem . (0 Replies). FarseerNootka[i_am_canadian0@hotmail.com]. 1/26/2002
 20:30 (1/26/2002 20:30) 
 >> Hello everyone
 >> 
 >> Earlier in the day someone raised the issue: What army gives you the most difficult time?
 and the follow up: What happens in those games? So I'd like to pose those questions to the
 whole forum - because they're good questions!
 >> 
 >> So pony on up everyone (yes you in the back too!) and tell us which army gives you fits -
 tell us what army you play and what the bad army does to you! :-) 
 >> 
 >> I look forward to hearing the horror stories, and maybe (just maybe) we'll start finding
 some answers :-)
 >> 
 >> Glory to the gamers who think through problems! ~ Brother Edward
 >> 
 >> PS. my arch nemesis (as a Blood Angel) is a mobile shooty Eldar force. As many of you
 have heard me discuss, mobile shooty is just bad news for my BA - the bad guys shoot at us,
 while also moving back (or to the side) to delay our assault from hitting them - giving them
 more time to shoot - and (worst case scenario) my transoprts die, and my assault people
 begin to accumulate heavy losses - it can lead to the total collapse of an army. My game has
 improved in this area (I'm very pleased to say!) but if anyone out there has any great secrets
 about fighting mobile shooty Eldar with an assault army feel free to step up so I can listen
 carefully to each and every word! :-) and yes, Tau are second on my list - same issues - but
 they still don't bug me as much as the Eldar - not yet at least! :-)
 >> 
 >> 
 

 I had the exact same problem with Tau, I found use deep strike, terrain, and Land Raiders (or
 any high armour transport) as much as possible. But other than that just grin and bear the
 casualties :) and pray to the emporer that you can catch just one squad, 'cause in my
 experience, if you can catch one, you can slow down his momentum. Also try not to spread
 out your forces, this makes you more vunerable to hit and run attacks, consentrate on one side
 of the board and use the board edge to anchor your flank. Pluss if you can bring some range
 to bear it will help. Pluss try and use fast things of your own, bikes/Assult squads are great for
 this. You send them up fast down the center of the board and shot at anything! This will force
 the player to either deal with the threat or more preferably fall back. I find if you can push him
 back to a board edge, preferably a short one you can trapp him with terrain. This is were you
 keep some fast elements in reserve to sweep in and push them back and keep them from
 escaping.

 Hope this helps 

 Farseer Nootka, Daemon Hunter of Biel-Tan 
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       I play IG, and well KORN!!! . (1 Replies). YourRadio[]. 1/26/2002 20:49 (1/26/2002 21:35) 
 i play IG catachans so just for the hell of it i always like lots of ambushes and H2H combat
 (throw a det pack kill have the squad then shoot em up then charge :-) always worx) But i will
 end up against a squad of like 20 Beserkers and well one det pack usually kills around 3-7
 then my fireing will kill around 3-4 more . . . then i charge i might kill one or 2 in H2H but then
 they just turn around and rip me apart with their +1 to Str for the mark of korn :-( and then
 termies :-( same prob they just charge me and just keep moving through my ranks wasteing
 me in H2H, just deep strike by me, then attack that squad, sweeping advace to the next squad
 . . .if i lucky i will kill 1 as they sweepin advance :-(

 NEED HELP! 
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           RE: I play IG, and well KORN!!! . (0 Replies). Spika[]. 1/26/2002 21:35 (1/26/2002 21:35) 
 >> i play IG catachans so just for the hell of it i always like lots of ambushes and H2H combat
 (throw a det pack kill have the squad then shoot em up then charge :-) always worx) But i will
 end up against a squad of like 20 Beserkers and well one det pack usually kills around 3-7
 then my fireing will kill around 3-4 more . . . then i charge i might kill one or 2 in H2H but then
 they just turn around and rip me apart with their +1 to Str for the mark of korn :-( and then
 termies :-( same prob they just charge me and just keep moving through my ranks wasteing
 me in H2H, just deep strike by me, then attack that squad, sweeping advace to the next squad
 . . .if i lucky i will kill 1 as they sweepin advance :-(
 >> 
 >> NEED HELP!

 Well first off, I hope you are aware that models in terminator armor cannot sweep advance.
 They can just consolidate. Second, units that deepstrike cannot assault the turn they teleport
 in. So you'll probably lose some guys to shooting but you shouldn't get torn up in H2H that
 turn. Do you have any deathworld veteran snipers? If you could pin the terminators that would
 be extremely helpful (an extra turn to shoot at 'em without being shot at or assaulted). Try to
 set them up so they can shoot at most areas of the board (if possible). Otherwise, can you
 take in exterminators? With that many shots, it'd be tough for a terminator squad to make all
 of its saves. This is about the full extent of my catachans knowledge (pretty limited...sorry). I
 hope it helps though. 
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       My nemisi are The Players!! . (0 Replies). Peedo[]. 1/26/2002 20:52 (1/26/2002 20:52) 
 Think about it! The most feared part of any army is the Player! My main problem is that
 whenever I play I'm forced to use rules that help my opponent and hurt me. The only reason
 I'm doomed to this fate is because I love to play and when the person I'm asking knows this
 they can abouse my love of the game to get rules that aid them. The main thing that bugs me is
 whenever I play Imp Guard, under no circumstance will my opponent allow me to use Deep
 Strike. This makes destroying there far and away tank squads of earth shakers and battle
 cannons a real nusence as my anti tank squad of termies has to board a land raier and hope
 they don't die. I also have to put up with terrain that we both set up on our sides. As Chaos I
 don't have as much use for cover unless I'm running from behind one thing to another, and that
 reduces the effectivity of my army, as opposed to the guard hideing it's tanks behind things
 and useing guess range to kill me in cover. If I didn't want to play so much I wouldn't put up
 with this, but untill I get board of this game I'm doomed to take on rather favoring odds.

 -Peedo 
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       back to the front with you! . (0 Replies). BloodAngelBrotherEdward[]. 1/27/2002 0:28 (1/27/2002 0:28) 
 back to the front! 
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 happy gaming to all ~ Brother Edward